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Gunnar Rundgren's avatar

Alex (and Adam), I am astonished by the fact that I, despite >40 years in the organic movement and deep into its debates and organizations internationally, never heard about Agrarian Dreams. Will have to read it, even if I probably have little to learn as the blurb speaks about "an alternative analysis that underscores the limits of an organic label as a pathway to transforming agriculture." something I have been aware of all through my (organic) life. However, I have some difficulty to understand the link between this and the rest of the article as an "organic label" clearly is a tool for selling organic products in mainstream markets and has little bearing on a discussion on "romanticized agrarian localism". Perhaps I am missing something?

I must say that I hardly have experienced any wide spread "romanticised idealised rural experiences". On the contrary, I believe it is a bigger problem that the prevailing narratives very much demonise small scale farming. And those that are actively engaged in it (apart from those selling courses and books on how to become a millionaire on 1 hectare) will mostly tell you have hard work it is for little money.....

In my view, the merit of agrarian localism (loosely defined) is its emphasis on scale and relationships, relationships between humans and with the rest of the living. Because scale matters. The weakness of agrarian localism, especially in the anglo-saxon world is a rather wide-spread blindness towards the effects of markets and capitalism. Many proponents seem to believe that if the market was just fair the small farms would prevail. But that is based on a very romanticized view of markets.

I support most of your analysis, especially the emphasis on politics, even though i find it overloaded with "radical" jargon as in the paragraph about fascism. I am also not sure what the "imperial core" means in an American context, when the settler colony and empire is the same? Why racial capitalism as opposed to just capitalism, do you mean that capitalism is good as long as it isn't racist? In my view, you risk undermining your efforts with too much of that kind of rhetoric. Please also note that there are some considerable chunks of the Global North, in particular farmers, that will not feel much part or guilt of any colonial past.

I totally agree with your rejection of the ecomodernist version something I have written extensively about. e.g, here: https://gardenearth.substack.com/p/do-we-need-farmfree-food

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Susan Hartmann's avatar

The is so needed. Thank you! I challenge you all (and the rest of us) to communicate these crucial concepts and approaches in ways that are resonant with our broader societies. For example translating concepts like “Malthusian” in ways that move non-academic circles to join the effort will be critical to pushing widespread reform. For those of us in highly industrialized food systems, it is important that we are inclusive in our rhetoric without dumbing down the core tenets of the movement. The goal, as you articulate so well here, is to push against our entrenched economic systems - the challenge is to figure out how to shift from being a niche worldview to one that drives broad change.

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